Thursday, March 16, 2006

The Free Offer of the Gospel

I've been preparing for my midterm in Doctrine of Salvation II by going over the notes and listening to the lectures again. As I went over the common grace section, I was struck by how much more I love the Lord because I realize how much more loving He is. He loves His creation, He loves His creatures, even those who rebel against Him and will spend eternity in hell in payment for that rebellion. He still loves them and desires them to repent and follow His commandments. In relation to this, Professor Tipton said that on the one hand God ordained that Judas would betray Christ but on the other He commands Judas to love the Lord with all his heart, mind, soul and strength. We don't understand that, it seems contradictory, but it's clearly taught in Scripture and we have to accept it.

I am typing up notes (based on the lectures) for my midterm. I will post it when I'm done.
Updated to add: I've decided not to study this way after all (typing notes), I'm going to make flash cards instead, sorry!

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12 Comments:

  1. Anonymous said...
    He loves His creation, He loves His creatures, even those who rebel against Him and will spend eternity in hell in payment for that rebellion. He still loves them and desires them to repent and follow His commandments.

    Silly words when shown in the light of scripture.Malachi 1:2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have you loved us?” “Is not Esau Jacob's brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob 3 but Esau I have hated. I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals of the desert.” 4 If Edom says, “We are shattered but we will rebuild the ruins,” the Lord of hosts says, “They may build, but I will tear down, and they will be called ‘the wicked country,’ and ‘the people with whom the Lord is angry forever.’” 5 Your own eyes shall see this, and you shall say, “Great is the Lord beyond the border of Israel!”
    michele said...
    One day you will regret calling the word of God silly. Refute the texts. Deal with my texts and I'll deal with yours.
    Anonymous said...
    I didnt call the word of God silly, I called the statement you made silly. You insult God by stating he consigns those he loves to hell.
    michele said...
    OK, I see the problem, you read the statement out of context. Go read this digest and then we can discuss the verses. That was what I was referring to.

    I really don't care what you think, you came to my blog, I didn't seek you out. If you want to discuss the word of God then I do care and will discuss it with you but we will do it within the context of 1 Cor 13.
    Anonymous said...
    Actually you did seek me out by starting a public blog and accepting comments. If you are upset by someone who won't accept the view point that God loves "those who rebel against Him and will spend eternity in hell in payment for that rebellion", then I guess you can block, ignore, or maybe consider their objection. Your the Sem student, you explain the context and scriptural justification. Also there is no such thing as an apparent contradiction. Either is or its not. Is this what you mean by contradiction?
    The act of contradicting.
    The state of being contradicted.
    A denial.
    Inconsistency; discrepancy.
    Something that contains contradictory elements.
    One other thing, there seems to be some confusion between commandments and decrees. All of creation is commanded to obey God, but He has decreed to only save the elect.
    If you still think me to be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal I will respect the fact that this is your blog and will not post any more comments.
    michele said...
    I wasn't upset, I already told you I could care less that you disagree with me. I understand completely that when you put your views out in public that there will be people who come by and attack you without engaging the text. But I'm not interested in a fight. I'm interested in discussion.

    I have opened my blog up to comments from anyone who doesn't swear and try to post spam. But as Christians we shoud engage each other in love because without that we have nothing.

    In other words you are welcome to respond to my posts, that is not the issue. The issue is did you read the Murray digest? What do you do with those texts?
    Anonymous said...
    http://www.hopeprc.org/pamphlets/ezekiel_33_11.htm
    Here is just a sample of how it is possible to refute those proof texts offered by those advocating FOG. I would appreciate if you would clarify what you mean by the term contradiction. I gave the definition I would use in a previous post.
    michele said...
    So, would you agree that you are a hyper-Calvinist because you and I aren't going to get very far and might as well agree to disagree.

    But if you are interested in going around the Mulberry bush slowly (I do have a life) I'll give it a shot. Though I have one caveat, you need to give me something to call you, I can't dialogue with someone who is anonymous.

    I will go through the Herman Hoeksema article and we can go over the texts indepth. I also have further arguments from class if you're interested.
    Anonymous said...
    You Said:
    So, would you agree that you are a hyper-Calvinist because you and I aren't going to get very far and might as well agree to disagree.

    You initiate name calling after stating that you wish to stick with the text? Talk about a contradiction!!!

    I say:
    So you would agree that you are a semi-Pelagian?

    I believe that the gospel should be proclaimed to all and is only effectual in calling the elect. Also, God clearly hates those whom he has hardened. This would not make me a hyper-Calvinist. This is the position of the confessions and scripture. Are they hyper-Calvinist documents?

    I hope you do read Hoeksema and that the Lord would bless your pursuit of the truth.
    michele said...
    Sorry you were offended. I only wanted to cut to the chase. And I'm not offended you called me semi-peligian because I know that you think I am. You're being honest. Do you adhere to the Westminster confession?
    michele said...
    And can't you use a name?
    michele said...
    Sorry, one more post. Yes, I intend to read the article.

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