Thursday, February 23, 2006

Update on the Ordinary Means Podcast

Well, I listened to the podcast on the commute to and from my daughters' school. It is 45 minutes long and it was an interesting discussion (remember, I'm in seminary and find theology interesting). I think they cover a subject that is little understood in the church, the ordinary means of grace. I recommend listening to it and then going here to post a comment or question. This can be a wonderful resource, so you should take advantage of it. Understanding the means of grace will help you understand what is happening during the worship service.

2 Comments:

  1. Moonshadow said...
    I am not qualified to give an opinion, really, being an outsider, but I want you to know that I listened to the podcast.

    Of course, to compare a catechism, any catechism, as they do, to the actual practice of any particular church may be unfair - we can always implement more faithfully what we believe.

    But, years ago, reading the Catechism with Vos's commentary was a (pleasant) shock for me, as I remember - I mean, the "high" view of the Lord's Supper, etc. that I found there - because my practical experience was, eh, different. I found myself thinking, "Gosh, if only people in the pew believed like this." And I say the same thing of my church, too, so please understand.

    I remember years ago telling my unbaptized Baptist friend about the ordinary means of salvation (we say "salvation") - in contrast to the extraordinary means (St. Paul getting knocked off his horse on his way to Damascus, for instance). I was trying to convince my friend of the necessity of receiving water baptism.

    My friend balked at the word "ordinary" because, as he said, there's nothing ordinary about salvation -- or grace, for that matter. Well, he's quite right but it was all I could do not to chuckle at his lack of theological sophistication. However, one of the fellas on the program comes awfully close to equating "ordinary" with "mundane" in his backlash against our detrimental need for stimulation. Thank you, Madison Avenue.

    I have more to say - something from Lewis's autobiography on how he learned to appreciate the ordinary. Something from White's book Protestant Worship: Traditions in Transition - how irrelevent eucharistic texts are these days in the comparative analysis of Protestant worship because, in his estimation, the Lord's Supper is not a main component in Protestant worship. And I want to say more about the path to holiness / sanctification but I may do that on Laura's blog since one of her comments got me thinking about it.

    Anyway, from what I heard, it's faithful to your tradition and is good stuff.
    michele said...
    It is and I'm thinking about making a couple of CD's and handing them out at church on Sunday.

    BTW, they are asking for comments so I don't think they would complain if you left one :-).

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